Chuck chats with hedge fund manager, commodities trader, high-stakes poker player, film producer, and author, Bill Perkins. Chuck and Bill discuss how a commodity hedge fund can generate outsized returns in natural gas – a space where billions of dollars trade daily. Bill tells about buying Ernie Barnes’ iconic painting “The Sugar Shack” for $15 million at an auction. Chuck said afterward “I was on the edge of my seat the whole time, and I knew he bought it!” Bill also shares his philosophy for a fulfilling life, “maximize enjoyment rather than wealth” – from his recent book Die With Zero.